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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby grwebster » Wed May 26, 2010 1:54 pm

The unidentified maker of Jose's aluminum B-17 has never been confirmed to me. There are many of these types of post war French aluminum toy aircraft which I have, for lack of better identification, simply cataloged as Unknown Maker#1, #2 etc. The French collectors told me that the aluminum was plentiful after the war because it came from scrapped aircraft- true or not?
I have grouped them under a maker together based on their design style, landing gear materials, props and hubs. If anyone has a better idea of the manufacturers, let me know.
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Maker #2
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Maker #3
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby grwebster » Wed May 26, 2010 2:03 pm

Here are two color variations of the Dewoitine 500 which I was told were made by COFALU but I am not convinced and now believe they could be Quiralu. Anyone know?
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby grwebster » Wed May 26, 2010 3:11 pm

Finally I have these unmarked aircraft toys of french origin.
Based on the way they are molded, the props material and pins, and landing gear I have identified them as being Metallix toys. This is an open assumption as Metallix usually included its name in the underwing castings.
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And they used a different scale so If anyone know more, please advise.
See all the Metallix aircraft a new post in the Vintage die cast section

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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby grwebster » Wed May 26, 2010 4:33 pm

Here is a Aluminum P-51 of post war French manufacture. I have seen them with the hanging loop and without. There is no name on the casting but I have a toy set with which uses two of these P-51s suspended from a bar that twists down a wire. That toy was made by SAJAM so perhaps they made these and did not buy them from another maker.
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby Flyingtiger10 » Thu May 27, 2010 5:09 am

Hi G.R.:

I'm sorry I placed the aircraft in the wrong topic!
Yes, I think Cofalu is the correct manufacturer
for the P-38.
The other one, could be part of the unknown
French manufacturers. I've also seen many
transport planes. I will send some photos
later to the right topic thread.
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby Flyingtiger10 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:49 am

Flyingtiger10 wrote:I recently bought this die-cast metal alloy aircraft, which according to Sue Richardson's
Airplane book is supposed to be a Quiralu model.
But on further review, this plane should have been made in aluminum,
which clearly is not. And does not possess tin-plate two blade props.
As can be seen from the photo, it has two 2-blade unpainted die-cast props
which seem to be original.
There is no identification under the wings and has two French roundels
stickers on the wing ports.
The wingspan is 144 mm and the length is 128 mm.
The scale is an average: 1/155.
The color is a dark greenish-gray finish and has two unpainted
metal wheels.
I assume it was a pre-war toy made by a French toy maker.
Does someone know who this manufacturer may be?

It was modeled after the Bloch night bomber MB 210, which had an
enormous glazed snout in the front. Sue Richardson's book mentions
it to be a MB 200, but this is not the case, as this latter model had
high wing display, and the MB 210 had low wings, as the toy shows.
The WS was 75'-10" and the L was 62'-0".

The bomber was produced in 1934, and the first flight was November
1934. It was introduced in 1936 for the French "L'Armee de l'Air" and less than
300 were produced. It had twin engines with 3-blade propellers, and
was so underpowered, that it was obsolete before its utilization.
It was retired in 1941.

Update: According to Argus de la Miniature, Vol 2, May-June 2000, this toy aircraft was made by CBG Mignalu, Ref. 2.
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby Flyingtiger10 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:01 am

grwebster wrote:Here are two color variations of the Dewoitine 500 which I was told were made by COFALU but I am not convinced and now believe they could be Qiralu. Anyone know?
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According to Argus de la Miniature, Vol.2, May-June 2000, No. 203; these were made by CBG Mignalu, Ref. 1
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby Flyingtiger10 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:21 am

grwebster wrote:Finally I have these unmarked aircraft toys of french origin.
Based on the way they are molded, the props material and pins, and landing gear I have identified them as being Metallix toys. This is an open assumption as Metallix usually included its name in the underwing castings.
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And they used a different scale so If anyone know more, please advise.
See all the Metallix aircraft a new post in the Vintage die cast section

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Update of the Metallix Aircraft: If you look closely under the wings, the model name and the manufacturer, Metallix, is
shown clearly, as well as the scale. Both aircraft are 1/100 scale--I checked with a spotter manual of WWII-- and the two engine low wing is a Breguet 690; the one engine low wing, is a Morane Saulnier 406.
According to Argus de la Miniature, Vol. 2, May-June 2000, No.203, a boxed set with three aircraft, 2 Breguets and 1 Morane Saulnier, is Ref.7. Probably made of scrap aluminum in the early Fifties, they were based on French prototypes of WWII.
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby grwebster » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:53 am

thanks for the updated information
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Re: Unknown French diecast pre-war plane

Postby 24C » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:06 am

Gentlemen,
This is my first post, and I will immediately address the subject at hand.

Flyingtiger10,
Your toy is indeed of a Bloch 210 (from "Avions Marcel Bloch", who changed his name in 1941 to "Dassault" because he was a Jew), and was the only toy ever manufactured by HR, a company owned by Henri Roger. It was issued in 1940, which likely explains why there were no further models.
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