1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

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1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby grwebster » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:07 pm

The model below has a bit of history for me. Back in 1981or 1982 before I started to collect ID models, I found this Wellington at a flea market in London. It had a piece missing from one wing but was in original camouflage finish, which showed the geodesic construction method in the fuselage windows. I gave the model to another French collector in return for a future trade for, I believe, a Dinky Toy Shetland flying boat. That trade never came about, or rather his side of the trade didn't, as was often the case with dealing with him. This really bothered me for many years and when I would see him from time to time and remind him that he still owed me on this trade, he would mumble some excuse. He passed away recently and took with him, I supposed at the time, my half of that 25+ year old trade.......Anyway last week I won an uncatalogued lot at auction of his collection and this model was in one of the lots! So now it is back where it always should have been, in my collection!
I have never seen another British one in this scale and most of the more common UK models were 1:72nd scale and in an all black finish or later in all grey. All British IDs had a transfer/decal underneath with the stores number.
Steve Remington's wonderfully informative site, http://www.collectair.com, discusses these models in the Friend or Foe section; "International Model Aircraft Ltd. (FROG and PENGUIN) also made wood recognition models in 1:72 scale (see photo of Bermuda in this section) and additionally made wood recognition/display models in 1:48 scale. An example of such a rare model is shown below - this Blenheim I" .
When I compared my model to the one in Steve's museum, the finishes are identical. I will look and see if the decal/transfer is still there when I get the models delivered to me. And will post more photos of the model.
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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby grwebster » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:23 pm

Here are some more photos of what could be one of the few very early British ID models made by Frog mentioned above. There are no marking sor transfer/decals on the model.
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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby BWBrown » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:19 am

Hi GR -

Here is a picture of a 1/48th-scale Wellington made by International Model Aircraft (Frog/Penguin). It has the identifying decal on the bottom. While it was intended for a slightly different usage, I would expect our two basic models to look the same, in terms of construction and finish, if they were both made by the same company. They are close, but the windows are clearly different. Maybe they were just made several years apart, and construction techniques varied over time. Look at my photo closely and let me know if you want other photos of some particular aspect of mine.

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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby grwebster » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:50 am

interesting, what does the bottom look like.
they are different models, so I suspect mine might not be a Frog. Or perhaps it was a display version made by them?
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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby BWBrown » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:21 pm

Here are some other photos of the Wellington. Also photos of a Blenheim, DO-18, and ME-110. These are also 1/48-scale.

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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby grwebster » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:41 pm

Fascinating- keep em coming!
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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby faxtolder » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:39 am

Dear All,

Long time no see!!! Sorry to dig out such an old topic, but I recently have been lucky enough to find a Frog / Penguin Savoia Marchetti SM85, and being it so rare, I thought to post a couple of pictures of it here!

I now would like to reproduce the plastic discs that at the time were used as propellers: does anybody know how thick they were, and which material was that? In some of the pics you posted above I see real propellers: have those been built after the war, or some models indeed endorsed real single propellers?

One final question: does anybody know if there's a complete list of the Frog recognition models build during the war? With so many company names (Frog - Penguin - IMA - Line Bros - Triang...) it is so difficult to find information!!!

Thanks loads everybody!!!
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Re: 1:48th scale Frog/Penguin ID models

Postby faxtolder » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:42 am

One further photo I found on one of my books, representing British pilots studing Italian and German planes in Africa using Frog models.

I would like to reproduce the stand for my model: is anybody aware of its original dimentions?

If you carefully see the picture, you can see something on the stands, which looks like a switch? Maybe for the lights, as you wrote above?
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