bet place to find Cruver and other models?

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bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby G10N » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 pm

I Just joined up and I'm really interested in starting a collection of these great period models.
Can anyone tell me whats the bet route to go about finding them? Would Ebay be my best bet?
American and Japanese bombers are what I'd most like to go after.

thanks for any help
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby BWBrown » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:44 pm

Or, post your specific wants on this forum and see who might have what you want. Many members collect these models, and every collector has duplicates. Could be a good way to get ahead!
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby G10N » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:31 am

thanks for the info :)
I'll try my luck on the wanted section.

I know ultimately prices are what your willing to pay for a specific model, but is there a general price bracket for say fighters vs bombers or perhaps between 1/72 and 1/144 scale?

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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby grwebster » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:55 am

Used to be, say 25+ years ago, a simple starting point was a base price of $50 for almost any aircraft ID in 1/72 celluloid acetate like Cruver Design Center, etc...., and then add on $25 for each pair of engines, and another $25 for a special feature like intact landing gear, or floats- so a Cruver B-17 would start at roughly $100 {actually this is a bad example as the B-17 is very much sought after and the prices were over $200 The C-47/DC-3 also gets premiums}. Add a $50 premium for any flying boat.
Over the years this simple starting index went up to over $50 but recently had lowered. Still it could give you an idea.
There really are not many, if any, 1/144 wartime ids around made by American firms or others for that matter. 1/200 was a scale favored by the Luftwaffe {made by Wiking in plastic}, and there are two sets of 1/432 wartime ids, one by Cruver in plastic, and another by Comet in white metal. Both of these sets had holes in the fuselage for hanging or mounting. Postwar examples generally did not have this feature.
You can also find IDs at militaria auctions.
My collection is being sold by Affiliated and for the next year there will be examples for sale
here is one going this weekend
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/155 ... tion-model
{do not pay attention to the estimates, they are way too high, but I expect this model to sell for $135 or so. it is rather hard to find intact, and no repairs.
BTW, bid on the net in advance, and you will need to register first.
Also 13 NOS boxed mainly postwar IDs {some rare Setco etc} will be auctioned of soon at http://www.stephensonsauction.com
Call them to find out when.
In general, you will find here on this forum the most knowledgeable ID collectors around, and it is much better to deal with them than some unknown on eBay. People like Dennis Ramsey and Bryan Brown frequently have duplicates available. I have bought many from Bryan Brown, for example and have been very happy. He will guide you well.
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby G10N » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:12 am

This really helps out a lot and thanks for all the links. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on them :D

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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby grwebster » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:24 am

Paul, as far as repo models of IDs the only person making them to my knowledge is Charles Fleming. The models are cast from the originals and are great to have to fill holes in a collection
contact him at contactus@aircraftmodels.com
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby Epap » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:58 pm

grwebster wrote:Paul, as far as repo models of IDs the only person making them to my knowledge is Charles Fleming. The models are cast from the originals and are great to have to fill holes in a collection
contact him at contactus@aircraftmodels.com


Another option from the same source is the "Expert Class" line which also uses rubber molds but of much better detailed versions of WW2 aircraft in the 1:72nd scale. If these were sprayed matte black, you get what amounts to much more accurate ID models, though, obviously, not exact replicas of the original Cruver models.
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby grwebster » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:09 pm

Ed
I wanted a Boeing Clipper ID for my collection, but there was never one made so I ordered one as you mentioned above, but painted black. Very good solution

I did the same with a Mavis order from him in black. The Mavis was made in ID form but most were too fragile and didn't survive, and the few that did, frequently melted.
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another ID auction March 2

Postby grwebster » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:20 am

another good auction of IDs, some from my collection, including some hard to find Verkuyl NATO metal models
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.as ... ort=0#cnTb
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Re: bet place to find Cruver and other models?

Postby MichaelB » Sat May 28, 2016 5:42 pm

This is a great example of a "ghost post" from GR Webster. This time on ID planes...real knowledge and insight on the matter. This forum continues to deliver his wisdom on these matters and it still brings tears to my eyes...
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